ROUGHLY EDITED COPY CUENet AUDIO TRANSCRIPTION DOGMATICS 2 LESSON 49 Captioning Provided By: Caption First, Inc. 10 E. 22nd Street Suite 304 Lombard, IL 60148 800-825-5234 *** This text is being provided in a rough draft format. Communication Access Realtime Translation (CART) is provided in order to facilitate communication accessibility and may not be a totally verbatim record of the proceedings. *** >> The resurrection means that Jesus who once was dead is now alive. Is there any difference between the body of Jesus before and after his resurrection? >> DR. DAVID SCAER: We already discussed this question before. And that is that at the moment of his exaltation by which he went down to hell and then was resurrected, in that moment of his exaltation his body was glorified and was not bound to the limitations that he had when they put him to death. However, there's a continuation between the body which he had during the days while he was on earth and his resurrected body. When we see Jesus, we will recognize who he is. And getting back to the question of the sacramental presence of Jesus -- and that is with his resurrected body -- Jesus can continually feed his church with his body and blood. And that body and blood had never diminished. And it really matters little whether you get the wafer, which is the body of Christ, and the chalice, which is the blood of Christ. It matters little whether it's just a little crumb or whether it's quite a bit. Because the body of Christ in his resurrected form and sacramentally cannot be measured according to quantity. Where this has really been an issue is where our Reformed friends and Calvinist friends and brothers, if we can dare use that term, claim that the body of Jesus is essentially no different after the resurrection than before. He is bound to space. And yet we have this unusual situation that according to the Gospel of John, the disciples are frightened. And I would be frightened, too. It would be like if the Nazis were out there and you knew they were going to come and get you, you lock all of your doors. You keep your voices low so they don't know where you are. Jesus appears in the room. This doesn't present a problem for Lutherans because Jesus is now in his exalted state. But for them, it's a problem. Because how did Jesus get up there? I said to one very -- a very well informed and influential Reformed theologian "Is this a picture of a second-story man Jesus walking around Jerusalem with a ladder? How did he get up there? Did he pick the lock?" It says specifically there were locked doors. Yes, there is a difference between the body of Jesus before and after the resurrection. But as we said before, we will -- and the book of Revelation says it. "They shall look upon him to whom they have pierced." When Christ appears as the judge of law, we will recognize him by the wounds which he bears. *** This text is being provided in a rough draft format. Communication Access Realtime Translation (CART) is provided in order to facilitate communication accessibility and may not be a totally verbatim record of the proceedings. ***