ROUGHLY EDITED COPY CUENet AUDIO TRANSCRIPTION DOGMATICS 2 LESSON 5 Captioning Provided By: Caption First, Inc. 10 E. 22nd Street Suite 304 Lombard, IL 60148 800-825-5234 *** This text is being provided in a rough draft format. Communication Access Realtime Translation (CART) is provided in order to facilitate communication accessibility and may not be a totally verbatim record of the proceedings. *** >> Thank you for that response. I appreciate both of the questions David and Nick asked. But I have to admit that a different question occurred to me with regards to sources. How would you describe the relationship between Christ and the scriptures? Do we believe Christ first? Or do we accept the scriptures before we believe in Jesus? >> DR. DAVID SCAER: This perhaps is the most profound question and also a question in which not everybody in the Lutheran Church would agree. When this question was asked of the late great theologian Karl Barth who lived in the last century, he answered this question by saying "Jesus loves me, this I know. For the Bible tells me so." So this is a question which not only concerns those students who are studying theology, but it's a question which children can think about. I'm not so sure that we can answer this question whether we accept the scriptures first or whether we accept Jesus first. This is not an either/or question. If we understand the scriptures as the voice of Christ in our midst, if we understand that Christ himself is the author of the scriptures and the content of the scriptures, then we will believe scriptures and Christ at the same time. It is not that we accept the scriptures first and then come to believe in Jesus or that Jesus is somehow independent of the scriptures. But these are two co-terminus experiences.